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Ed Stein
Anaheim Ducks
Location: McKinney, TX
Joined: 10.14.2007

Oct 22 @ 7:34 PM ET
Ed Stein: Ducks Go For 6 In A Row The Anaheim Ducks, winners of five straight games, host the Buffalo Sabres tonight at the Honda Center
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Oct 22 @ 8:34 PM ET
Put a hurtin on them. I want them in LA tomorrow just down and out.
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Oct 22 @ 8:43 PM ET
Fistric is a guy I thought EDM should have kept. Stoner was always a bit of a W/E player for me. Back to him in Minny. What would your current Defense look like in pairings if everyone was healthy?
Ed Stein
Anaheim Ducks
Location: McKinney, TX
Joined: 10.14.2007

Oct 22 @ 10:45 PM ET
Fistric is a guy I thought EDM should have kept. Stoner was always a bit of a W/E player for me. Back to him in Minny. What would your current Defense look like in pairings if everyone was healthy?
- poisondhearts37


Fowler-Lovejoy
Beauch-Lindholm
Vatanen-Stoner

Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: TERRACE LANCO, CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Oct 22 @ 10:55 PM ET
Fowler-Lovejoy
Beauch-Lindholm
Vatanen-Stoner

- Ed Stein


Man, that's a nice group. Couple that with a ton of cap space at the deadline, and the Ducks could really be scary heading into the playoffs.

Sick goal by Perry. That wasn't even fair.
RobitailleFAN20
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA Kings fan since 1996. Favorite palyers Luc Robitaille & Rob Blake, CA
Joined: 06.22.2014

Oct 22 @ 11:29 PM ET
Man, that's a nice group.Couple that with a ton of cap space at the deadline, and the Ducks could really be scary heading into the playoffs.

Sick goal by Perry. That wasn't even fair.

- Only_A_Ladd

Really? ... Decent at best id say, but hey, you got your opinions I have mine

But yeah that Perry goal, almost isn't even fair to Neuvirth
Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: TERRACE LANCO, CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Oct 22 @ 11:45 PM ET
Really? ... Decent at best id say, but hey, you got your opinions I have mine

But yeah that Perry goal, almost isn't even fair to Neuvirth

- RobitailleFAN20


I watch about the same number of Kings' games a year as Ducks' games. Know thy self, know thy enemy. This kid d-men look a lot better this year, especially Vatanen. They are going to be a real obstacle in the playoffs.
selanne4pres
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Tustin, CA
Joined: 08.29.2010

Oct 23 @ 1:10 AM ET
I watch about the same number of Kings' games a year as Ducks' games. Know thy self, know thy enemy. This kid d-men look a lot better this year, especially Vatanen. They are going to be a real obstacle in the playoffs.
- Only_A_Ladd


They do look a lot better but they need some help. Trade for a top 4 dman and drop Lovejoy to the third pair. It's unbelievable how badly he's holding Fowler up.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 23 @ 2:03 AM ET
They do look a lot better but they need some help. Trade for a top 4 dman and drop Lovejoy to the third pair. It's unbelievable how badly he's holding Fowler up.
- selanne4pres


Agreed. If Lovejoy took Stoner's spot on the 3rd pair and they could acquire a great top pair, two-way, right-handed defenseman, the Ducks defense would be championship worthy. Tyler Myers is the obvious available candidate. Zach Bogosian would be another solid choice if Winnipeg's slow start continues long enough to convince their GM to press the "Oh $hit!" button. The least crappy of Stoner, Allen, and Fistric could be kept on to fill the 7th defenseman role in case of injury. You can euthanize the other two.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 23 @ 2:27 AM ET
A good read for Ducks fans if they have not already seen it.

Anaheim Calling - Dumping the Puck: Scoring Plays
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

Oct 23 @ 2:27 AM ET
Agreed. If Lovejoy took Stoner's spot on the 3rd pair and they could acquire a great top pair, two-way, right-handed defenseman, the Ducks defense would be championship worthy. Tyler Myers is the obvious available candidate. Zach Bogosian would be another solid choice if Winnipeg's slow start continues long enough to convince their GM to press the "Oh $hit!" button. The least crappy of Stoner, Allen, and Fistric could be kept on to fill the 7th defenseman role in case of injury. You can euthanize the other two.
- tkecanuck341


Stoner has been really good so far this year. The Ducks needed a player like him against the kings in the playoffs. Myers was horrid in his two games against the Ducks. He played his way out of a trade to Anaheim. If he and Fowler were the Ducks top pair, Andersen would have his work cut out for him. Buffalo's biggest defensive issue is that he is their #1 guy. Its not like his offensive style is helping out either. Buffalo has 1 goal in their past 3 games. As a team, they have the same number of goals as Rick Nash.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 23 @ 2:46 AM ET
Stoner has been really good so far this year. The Ducks needed a player like him against the kings in the playoffs. Myers was horrid in his two games against the Ducks. He played his way out of a trade to Anaheim. If he and Fowler were the Ducks top pair, Andersen would have his work cut out for him. Buffalo's biggest defensive issue is that he is their #1 guy. Its not like his offensive style is helping out either. Buffalo has 1 goal in their past 3 games. As a team, they have the same number of goals as Rick Nash.
- sniper11


Buffalo's biggest defensive issue is that Myers is the only defenseman on their team that would be considered a top 4 on most teams in the NHL. They don't really have any scoring threats on their offense either, so Myers is pretty much relied upon to do everything. Take a look at the average TOI for Buffalo's forwards this season. Not a single one of them averages more than 18 mins per game and the dropoff between the 1st and 3rd lines is barely two minutes. Nolan simply rolls their top 3 lines and hopes that the system will produce goals. Not a terrible strategy considering that their top line of Stafford, Ennis, and Moulson is probably the worst top line in the league. Make no mistake, this is the Cleveland Indians of the first Major League movie. They are designed and expected to finish "dead last."

If Buffalo had a Yandle or Karlsson on their team to pair with Myers, Myers could stay back and play a more defensively sound game rather than having to do everything. You can't fault one player for the massive deficiencies of this team.

p.s. Read the comments on that Anaheim Calling blog that I posted. Kid Ish is one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable Ducks fans that I have encountered. His solution for the Ducks defense is to acquire either Tyler Myers or Jeff Petry. Oh, he also thinks that Clayton Stoner is god awful.
duxcup07
Joined: 07.10.2007

Oct 23 @ 2:55 AM ET
Freddie bailed the boys out tonight. Too many cute plays in our own end. If this happens on Friday against Columbus that will be the end of the winning streak.
My brother really thinks Tyler Myers would be a good addition for the Ducks. He thinks he'd play better if he got away from Buffalo. I don't know. He was certainly better tonight than he was in Buffalo. I guess it depends on what Buffalo wants. He certainly would make the D corps skew younger but I don't know if he makes the Ducks that much better this year. BTW, I said to my brother, "Using your logic, the Ducks should try to get Justin Schultz back then. He'd be better on the Ducks than the Oilers, right?" He laughed.
bigjersey3
New Jersey Devils
Location: Jackson, NJ
Joined: 09.30.2013

Oct 23 @ 10:54 AM ET
So is DSP a permanent fixture on the top line wing.....or are they still playing musical forwards up front ????
duxcup07
Joined: 07.10.2007

Oct 23 @ 11:20 AM ET
So is DSP a permanent fixture on the top line wing.....or are they still playing musical forwards up front ????
- bigjersey3

Yeah, DSP looks like the man until Heatly returns. Beleskey might gets a few shifts if things aren't clicking but I believe DSP will get the majority of the ice time.
Ducks_Fan_93
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Corona, CA
Joined: 07.04.2010

Oct 23 @ 12:58 PM ET
A good read for Ducks fans if they have not already seen it.

Anaheim Calling - Dumping the Puck: Scoring Plays

- tkecanuck341


Great read, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

Oct 24 @ 1:08 AM ET
Buffalo's biggest defensive issue is that Myers is the only defenseman on their team that would be considered a top 4 on most teams in the NHL. They don't really have any scoring threats on their offense either, so Myers is pretty much relied upon to do everything. Take a look at the average TOI for Buffalo's forwards this season. Not a single one of them averages more than 18 mins per game and the dropoff between the 1st and 3rd lines is barely two minutes. Nolan simply rolls their top 3 lines and hopes that the system will produce goals. Not a terrible strategy considering that their top line of Stafford, Ennis, and Moulson is probably the worst top line in the league. Make no mistake, this is the Cleveland Indians of the first Major League movie. They are designed and expected to finish "dead last."

If Buffalo had a Yandle or Karlsson on their team to pair with Myers, Myers could stay back and play a more defensively sound game rather than having to do everything. You can't fault one player for the massive deficiencies of this team.

p.s. Read the comments on that Anaheim Calling blog that I posted. Kid Ish is one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable Ducks fans that I have encountered. His solution for the Ducks defense is to acquire either Tyler Myers or Jeff Petry. Oh, he also thinks that Clayton Stoner is god awful.

- tkecanuck341


First of all, Myers has never, ever played defensively. Why would he all of the sudden change his style just because he was on a different team? That article is missing a key element: scoring chances. I have constantly been saying that the quality of the shots make a significant difference. I am wondering if, when the research was compiled, the author even bothered to look at the number of goals that were scored in each approach, rather than just looking at shots attempted? It doesn't seem like it. It is better to score on 25% of 500 shots than on 10% of 1000 shots. What am I looking for in the comments? Looks like the same debate about Myers/Petry. Most don't seem to like Myers as the best option to be Anaheim's #1 D-man. I'm with them. Myers is a 2nd pairing player, but with Fowler, Lindholm, Vatanen and soon Theodore, Myers doesn't even make the Ducks offensive D group any younger, which seems to be the top reason for trading for him. The Ducks simply don't need him.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 24 @ 4:33 AM ET
First of all, Myers has never, ever played defensively. Why would he all of the sudden change his style just because he was on a different team? That article is missing a key element: scoring chances. I have constantly been saying that the quality of the shots make a significant difference. I am wondering if, when the research was compiled, the author even bothered to look at the number of goals that were scored in each approach, rather than just looking at shots attempted? It doesn't seem like it. It is better to score on 25% of 500 shots than on 10% of 1000 shots. What am I looking for in the comments? Looks like the same debate about Myers/Petry. Most don't seem to like Myers as the best option to be Anaheim's #1 D-man. I'm with them. Myers is a 2nd pairing player, but with Fowler, Lindholm, Vatanen and soon Theodore, Myers doesn't even make the Ducks offensive D group any younger, which seems to be the top reason for trading for him. The Ducks simply don't need him.
- sniper11


Myers is a two-way defenseman. He is not a shutdown guy like Willie Mitchell or an offense-only guy like Keith Yandle. He plays solid on both ends of the ice, but because he plays for Buffalo, he is relied upon to score a larger percentage of the goals than he would if he were playing for a team that already has an offensive presence on the blue line like Montreal, Washington, or Pittsburgh. If he was paired with a good offensive-minded defenseman, he wouldn't be the one on the ice jumping up into the play to generate chances. He could be the defensively responsible of the pairing and play a better defensive game.

The same thing happened to Drew Doughty. He started out his career playing on the blueline with Sean O'Donnell. He excelled offensively, but struggled a little bit on the defensive side of the puck. Willie Mitchell took over for OD in 2011, and Doughty had a little bit of a 3rd year slump in the 2011-12 regular season. Mitchell and Greene both got injured in 2012, and Doughty was then paired with Muzzin, and he had to become the defensively responsible one of the pair for the first time in his career. Since then, he has been playing the best hockey of his life. Tyler Myers needs exactly this to happen. He needs to find a good young offensive-minded defenseman to play with, allow his point totals to drop off a bit, and be allowed to mature into a solid two-way defenseman. I'm not saying that Tyler Myers is the next Drew Doughty but Buffalo certainly isn't doing him any favors. However, if he is able to move on to a good team with the right players, Myers could turn into the next Zdeno Chara.

The Ducks defense right now is very middling. It is definitely far from terrible, but every Stanley Cup bound team should constantly looking for ways to gain an edge over the other Stanley Cup bound teams in the league. Their offense is obviously fine, their goaltending is proving to be exceptional, so the place to improve is the defense.

Fowler, Lindholm, and Vatanen are mainstays on the team, and they are very good, albeit a little inexperienced.

Lovejoy is a decent 5/6 guy, but not much else. He isn't doing Fowler any favors on his pairing.

Beauchemin is a solid defensive defenseman whose play has dropped off a bit since his leg injury, but he still can provide some quality shutdown minutes for you. I would be very surprised if Anaheim offers him a new contract next season since it would be a 35+ deal. He is currently playing on the second pairing. He'd probably be better in the last pairing with Lovejoy.

Stoner, Allen, and Fistric are the weak links here. Are they manageable for the regular season...sure. I'm sure the Ducks can win in spite of them. However, this is definitely the area that needs improvement. I'm sure Theodore can eventually step in and take over, but his his highest level of competition thus far is the WHL. He is still a few years away from cracking the Ducks' top 4.

Let me clarify....I'm not advocating blowing up the team to acquire Myers. The Ducks should not trade away any key pieces of their roster to add him to the fold. They should, however, take a page out of the Kings' playbook and be willing to part with future assets to improve their chances now. In 2012, the Kings weakness was goal scoring, and Slava Voynov had impressed with his play and made Jack Johnson expendable. The Kings threw in a 1st round pick and went out and got Jeff Carter (and his 10 year contract) from Columbus. Four months later, they had a Stanley Cup. The Ducks could trade Stoner or Fistric (Allen's contract is ending this season, so it's probably best to keep him and let him walk in July), a marginal roster player, a quality prospect, and a 1st round pick to get Myers. Nothing going out hurts the Ducks this season or next, and if all goes as planned, the pick will be a 27-30 pick anyway. The only real loss is one good prospect. However, Myers will instantly improve the team. Your pairings would look like this:

Fowler-Myers
Lindholm-Vatanen
Beauchemin-Lovejoy

That is a championship worthy defense. Say what you want about Myers, but he's a hell of a lot better than Ben Lovejoy and Clayton Stoner. He would look real good playing next to Folwer.

Finally, the article I linked isn't looking at scoring chances. No one is arguing that the Ducks are able to score goals. His point is that the Ducks offense is mainly based off of dump-and-chase zone entries resulting from strong forechecking and offensive zone turnovers. It works great in the regular season when you play a different opponent every night, but when you start playing elite speedy teams in seven-game series, they catch on to the strategy and start tightening up their defense, resulting in fewer turnovers and therefore fewer goals. According to him, that is why the Ducks lost the series against both Detroit in 2013 and LA in 2014. I linked the article because I thought it was an interesting read written by a die-hard Ducks fan, and that other Ducks fans might appreciate some quality Ducks' hockey analysis rather than having to listen to that moron on the Prime Ticket broadcasts.

In the comments, I wanted you to see that an obviously intelligent and engaged Ducks fan (kid ish) thinks that the Ducks acquiring Tyler Myers would be a good for the team. I will quote his comments for you, so you don't have to go digging for them:

myers is mid-20s and shows a lot of promise, numerically and visually. there’s some risk in gambling on him, but his upside is still very high.
- kid ish


Want to see his opinion of Stoner?
Clayton Stoner:

I'm going to try to make sense of this signing.

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Nope. This makes zero sense in any rational, reasonable way. No logic except "hurr hurr he's real big and hits people!" was made in considering this player.

p.s. I hate this contract and deal, in case that's not clear.

p.p.s. it sucks.

- kid ish
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

Oct 24 @ 5:37 PM ET
Those first two pairings would give up so many goals its not even funny. You just can't have two guys together that like to skate into the offensive zone and just expect that one will decide to stay back more often. There is a reason Doughty doesn't play with Voynov, despite what the analytics say. Stoner would have made a difference against the kings. Anaheim's D was too small and not physical enough against the kings forwards. Stoner has been great this year. The only knock against him is the analytics, which do not consider defensive defensemen whatsoever. Every contender has stay at home guys like Stoner and Allen. These guys are thrird pairing anyway, they don't hurt the Ducks nearly as much as you claim. Even the kings have Greene and Regehr. I don't understand why you can't seem to grasp this concept. Myers jut gives the Ducks more of what they have in spades, with a higher price tag and more risk. Stoner and a 1st rd pick wouldn't get him anyway.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 24 @ 10:08 PM ET
Those first two pairings would give up so many goals its not even funny. You just can't have two guys together that like to skate into the offensive zone and just expect that one will decide to stay back more often. There is a reason Doughty doesn't play with Voynov, despite what the analytics say. Stoner would have made a difference against the kings. Anaheim's D was too small and not physical enough against the kings forwards. Stoner has been great this year. The only knock against him is the analytics, which do not consider defensive defensemen whatsoever. Every contender has stay at home guys like Stoner and Allen. These guys are thrird pairing anyway, they don't hurt the Ducks nearly as much as you claim. Even the kings have Greene and Regehr. I don't understand why you can't seem to grasp this concept. Myers jut gives the Ducks more of what they have in spades, with a higher price tag and more risk. Stoner and a 1st rd pick wouldn't get him anyway.
- sniper11


I think you are misunderstanding my dislike of Stoner and Allen. I have nothing against defensive defensemen. Willie Mitchell was great. Rob Scuderi was great. Robyn Regehr is good. Matt Greene was great 2 years ago (he's not so good anymore). Teams absolutely need defensive defensemen. Guess what? Stoner and Allen are bad defensive defensemen. I'm not talking about advanced stats or anything, just the amount of goals scored against their team while they're on the ice. Beauchemin was a great defensive defenseman back when the Ducks won their Cup. He isn't as good these days as he was back then, but compared to Stoner/Allen he is an All-Star.

So far this season, the Ducks have allowed 14 goals against. Stoner has averaged 16:39 in ice time per game thus far, a little more than ¼ of the game. Ignoring the fact that he's a defensive defenseman and therefore by definition should be better than the other defenseman on the team at keeping pucks out of his own net, judging by ice time, only 3 or 4 goals thus far should have been scored against the Ducks while he was on the ice. So guess how many goals have been scored against the Ducks while Stoner was on the ice?....7. 6 at even strength. Half of the goals scored against the Ducks have been scored while Stoner was on the ice. He is bad at defense.

In comparison, Robyn Regehr averages 20:18 of ice time per game, or just over 1/3 of the game. The Kings have allowed 10 goals against, meaning 3 or 4 goals should have been scored while he was on the ice. Guess how many opponents have scored while he's out there?.....1. Regehr has only 1 GA so far this season. That's a good defensive defenseman.

The Ducks' best defenseman so far this season....Hampus Lindholm. He has only been on the ice for 2 GA while playing over 5 minutes more per game than Stoner. He's also been on the ice for more goals for than any other defenseman on the Ducks with 10. That kid is going to be your star defenseman pretty soon.

Also Myers, despite leading his team in ice time by a very large margin, has only been on the ice for 6 of the 28 goals against his team. He also has not allowed a single power play goal against, despite leading the team in PK time. Not as bad at defense as you would make him out to be... I'm not sure why you think I suggested that the Ducks could acquire him for Stoner and a 1st, when I'm pretty sure I said Stoner, a 3rd/4th liner, a quality prospect, and a 1st. That's a lot more than Stoner and a 1st.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 25 @ 2:19 AM ET
You just can't have two guys together that like to skate into the offensive zone and just expect that one will decide to stay back more often.
- sniper11


Ummm, yes you can. This is exactly what happened in 2012-13 when Drew Doughty and Jake Muzzin started playing together. They are now one of the best defensive pairings in the NHL.

There is a reason Doughty doesn't play with Voynov, despite what the analytics say.
- sniper11


You are absolutely correct. That reason is that they both play on the right side.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 25 @ 2:35 AM ET
Hey, look. I found another blogger at Anaheim Calling (not kid ish) that thinks that Tyler Myers would be a good idea.

Anaheim Calling: A Case for Tyler Myers

His defensive pairings are a bit different than what I said:
Consider that Myers is unlikely to budge Lovejoy away from Fowler, we could bump Beauch down to the third pairing with Vatanen and play Myers next to Lindholm.
- TheBennyFromAus

But his trade bait is pretty much identical to what I said it would be:
That being said what do we give up for this guy. If its Vatanen, Lindholm or Fowler then the answer is no. However if we can part with other players and prospects (unlikely to be Theodore as Buffalo's prospect pool is stacked with budding D), then I'd say for for it. If we could over pay to move either Fistric or Stoner (poor D with multiple years left on contract, Allen is off the books this year anyway so no rush to move him) then I'd pull the trigger. I suspect Ritchie would be going the other way as he would fit their profile for when they would expect to start getting better, and frankly I think it would be a good move, with Kerdiles still in our system. All up I think a Rakell + Ritchie + Fistric (or stoner and a 2015 2nd) + 2016 1st would get it done.
- TheBennyFromAus

Fistric (I said Stoner, but same poop) + Rakell (3rd/4th line guy) + Nick Ritchie (quality prospect) + 2016 1st

For the record, he also thinks that Allen, Fistric, and Stoner are "poor D."
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

Oct 25 @ 10:05 PM ET
I think you are misunderstanding my dislike of Stoner and Allen. I have nothing against defensive defensemen. Willie Mitchell was great. Rob Scuderi was great. Robyn Regehr is good. Matt Greene was great 2 years ago (he's not so good anymore). Teams absolutely need defensive defensemen. Guess what? Stoner and Allen are bad defensive defensemen. I'm not talking about advanced stats or anything, just the amount of goals scored against their team while they're on the ice. Beauchemin was a great defensive defenseman back when the Ducks won their Cup. He isn't as good these days as he was back then, but compared to Stoner/Allen he is an All-Star.

So far this season, the Ducks have allowed 14 goals against. Stoner has averaged 16:39 in ice time per game thus far, a little more than ¼ of the game. Ignoring the fact that he's a defensive defenseman and therefore by definition should be better than the other defenseman on the team at keeping pucks out of his own net, judging by ice time, only 3 or 4 goals thus far should have been scored against the Ducks while he was on the ice. So guess how many goals have been scored against the Ducks while Stoner was on the ice?....7. 6 at even strength. Half of the goals scored against the Ducks have been scored while Stoner was on the ice. He is bad at defense.

In comparison, Robyn Regehr averages 20:18 of ice time per game, or just over 1/3 of the game. The Kings have allowed 10 goals against, meaning 3 or 4 goals should have been scored while he was on the ice. Guess how many opponents have scored while he's out there?.....1. Regehr has only 1 GA so far this season. That's a good defensive defenseman.


- tkecanuck341


Actually Stoner has been on the ice for 5 goals against and three were even strength, 4 were on the road and all were on shifts that started in the defensive zone. Sometimes there is nothing a player can do in those situations as he has little time to impact a play. He's third pairing, so i'd expect more goals scored against he and Vats than the other pairings. Regehr was on the ice for two goals against the kings and Greene has been on ice for 5 goals against. I don't know where you got your numbers from. You do not know what good defensive defensemen are based on your rudimentary definition. If they aren't better defensemen, why are they always out for the PK unit?

I'm sure you could find several people who want Myers on the Ducks, I can point you in the direction of just as many who feel the opposite. He wouldn't take Lovejoy's or Beauchemin's spot in the pairings because he plays on the other side of the ice and isn't defensive enough. He would likely take Lindholm's spot and play with Beauchemin. The people you have quoted are kids who base their assumptions on NHL15 and other video game trades. They aren't coaches or GMs and some have never really played competitively. They only respect offensive stats and skating ability, but don't look at strength at clearing the front of the net or shot blocking, which is what the Ducks lacked on D last season.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 26 @ 10:50 PM ET
Actually Stoner has been on the ice for 5 goals against and three were even strength, 4 were on the road and all were on shifts that started in the defensive zone. Sometimes there is nothing a player can do in those situations as he has little time to impact a play. He's third pairing, so i'd expect more goals scored against he and Vats than the other pairings. Regehr was on the ice for two goals against the kings and Greene has been on ice for 5 goals against. I don't know where you got your numbers from. You do not know what good defensive defensemen are based on your rudimentary definition. If they aren't better defensemen, why are they always out for the PK unit?

I'm sure you could find several people who want Myers on the Ducks, I can point you in the direction of just as many who feel the opposite. He wouldn't take Lovejoy's or Beauchemin's spot in the pairings because he plays on the other side of the ice and isn't defensive enough. He would likely take Lindholm's spot and play with Beauchemin. The people you have quoted are kids who base their assumptions on NHL15 and other video game trades. They aren't coaches or GMs and some have never really played competitively. They only respect offensive stats and skating ability, but don't look at strength at clearing the front of the net or shot blocking, which is what the Ducks lacked on D last season.

- sniper11

Here's where I got my numbers:

Behind the Net: Anaheim Ducks - Goals Against 5v5

The same site shows that Stoner started 50.8% of his shifts in the offensive zone. He is also 2nd to last on the Ducks in PK time (ahead of only Vatanen), so the "if he's such a terrible defenseman, why does he play so much on the PK?" argument is BS too.

Behind the Net: Anaheim Ducks Defense - SH TOI

As for Greene, he is definitely the weak link on the Kings defensively. I said he was good 2 years ago, not so much anymore. I fully suspect that with McNabb's impressive play thus far, when Voynov comes back from his suspension, Greene will be the healthy defensive scratch going forward, and rightly so.

Behind the Net: Los Angeles Kings Defense - Goals Against 5v5

Face it man, Stoner sucks. There are many good defensive defensemen out there (Niskanen, Orpik, Mitchell, Girardi, Beauchemin, Regehr). Stoner is not one of them.

Lindholm is shaping up to be the best defenseman on the Ducks. I sure hope he wouldn't be the first one out of your lineup if you acquired Myers.
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

Oct 27 @ 2:25 AM ET
Here's where I got my numbers:


The same site shows that Stoner started 50.8% of his shifts in the offensive zone. He is also 2nd to last on the Ducks in PK time (ahead of only Vatanen), so the "if he's such a terrible defenseman, why does he play so much on the PK?" argument is BS too.

Face it man, Stoner sucks. There are many good defensive defensemen out there (Niskanen, Orpik, Mitchell, Girardi, Beauchemin, Regehr). Stoner is not one of them.

Lindholm is shaping up to be the best defenseman on the Ducks. I sure hope he wouldn't be the first one out of your lineup if you acquired Myers.

- tkecanuck341


Stoner is a role player, get over your video game evaluations. Cool site, shows you lied about Stoner's on ice goals against... and Regehr's. Lindholm is the only player who can be sent to the A. Unless Vatanen is traded to get Myers, or there is an injury, Lindholm would have to go to make room.
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